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Well, what a relief that the reviews are over and done with. Now the cast can get on with doing what they do best without the 800lb gorilla in the room. All in all, it's what I expected. If you go into the show expecting the raunchy satire of the original, as many of the critics seemed to long for, you're absolutely going to leave the theater unfulfilled. Is there room one day far into the future for a revival based on that vision of the play? Perhaps - but I'm sure some, if not a good amount of it would be lost in translation. It's harder to spoof the 50's if your audience isn't all that familiar with the 50's and the songs of the 50s to begin with - that was half a century ago, and the target audience of this current revival might leave the theater with a "what was THAT?" plastered on their young faces.

On the other hand, the enduring aspects of the show that have allowed the show to remain popular even among people born after the movie version are very much the qualities that Kathleen Marshall obviously wanted to focus on. Populist? Yes. Bound to leave critics puzzled? Probably. But Grease is at its heart a populist show. The audience laughs at characters like Eugene, Patty Simcox, and Roger in part because we remember people like that from school (or perhaps even a little of ourselves).

In that sense, Max's version of Danny is actually a lot more relatable to this generation of theatergoers. While Ben Brantley of the NYTimes found Max's tendency to pop his collar self-consciously as problematic, I actually saw it as a plus to the character. Most of us, even the popular kids, remember adolescence as being a time of self-doubt, and there was a lot of acting cooler than you (deep down inside) actually thought you were. Incidentally, popping collars on polo t-shirts seems to be the latest incarnation of that 50's stylized gesture, though that fad seems to have died down a bit. A lot of reviewers also seemed fixated on the idea that Max did not look like or exude the qualities of a leader of the pack. No, he didn't exude "leader of the pack," if by "leader of the pack" you mean too-old-to-be-in-high-school (a few critics seemed to think the older Matthew Saldivar looked more like a Zuko), or 50's caveman-gang-leader-caricature as the role was originally acted. That kind of Danny worked perfectly in the old versions of Grease. In this more modern take on Grease, it wouldn't make sense, since Kathleen Marshall was going for the more naturalistic take on high school life. Looking at your average suburban high school today, you're more likely to come across a Max-type being Mr. Popular and ruling the social hierarchy (I mean, he did in a sense win a national televised popularity contest, didn't he?). Does this violate the original spirit of Danny Zuko as the prototypical 50's guys' guy? Sure. But does he more reflect today's idea of a guys' guy? I would say yes. Even Brantley found this a "refreshing" change.

But wait? Isn't Grease supposed to be about the 50's??? Yes and no. In the popular imagination, it has become less and less a show about the 50s and more and more a show about high school and the awkwardness of teen romance. With that in mind, and given that the TV reality show's audience was overwhelmingly a "family-friendly audience," I think Kathleen Marshall's interpretation of the show works. It's a bunch of high school students, all acting cool, but in reality all actually a bit insecure, but certainly with big dreams and bigger imaginations (as Ben Brantley points out - hence the imaginary sequences like Doody's rock star turn, the transformation of Greased Lightning, etc.). Sweet as saccharine and domesticated? Yes - but you know the audiences are gonna love it because it means a feel good night out at the theater.

All in all though, many but certainly not all of the critics seemed to at least give Laura and Max their dues by saying however grudgingly that they are capable performers. (The same couldn't be said for the London duo). Most of the harsh criticism seemed more directed at Marshall's interpretation of the show. Max and Laura do a more than admirable job fulfilling Marshall's vision of what Danny and Sandy should be, and many of the criticisms of their performances stem ultimately from a disagreement over that vision of the two high school lovers. So in that sense, it wasn't the worst case scenario for our two young leads.

Bottom line, if you're looking for Laura's version of Sandy and Max's version of Danny rather than a Bostwick/Demas or Travolta/Newton-John Danny and Sandy, you'll love the show anyway. If you didn't watch the reality show, but go into the theater with a blank slate of what Danny and Sandy should be, you'll have a good time too, and you may well fall in love with Laura's endearing sweetness and Max's ever slightly goofy charm. If not, there's plenty to love in the rest of the cast if you subscribe to Kathleen Marshall's vision. If you don't, you'll never get what all the fuss is about, and this just won't be the show for you.

Also, I did not find this production lacking in energy. If you want limp, go see the latest incarnation of Hairspray - which I really, really enjoyed the first time. But Lance Bass has managed to suck the life out of even a cardboard character like Corny Collins, and Jerry Mathers as Wilbur Turnblad can't sing. Even the formerly perky Shannon Durig seems to have lost a bit of steam after all these months. Oddly enough, Ashley (as in 2nd-tier boy-band Ashley) outsings the ex-NSyncer as Link Larkin. And Ashley (as in Ashley Spencer of Grease YTOTIW fame) is having a helluva lot of fun with playing the part of the bratty airhead Amber. It's a shame she has to waste her beautiful voice on a screechy song like Cooties. On the other hand, she is luckier than Max and Laura in her Broadway debut circumstances in that she doesn't have to face a barrage of reviews gunning for the stars to fail.

Anyways, that concludes these thoughts, from someone who obviously has too much time on his hands this evening. Bored to tears? Sorry. Liked what you read? I'll have more to say after August 31st - I'll be bringing my mother to her first Broadway show as a gift for her b-day, and she's as excited as any youngster going to the show. It'll be interesting to see how the show has changed since the first preview. Cheers everyone.



-- Edited by NYC9758 at 05:08, 2007-08-21

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NYC - Your sober take on the state of Grease gave me a lift in this dark moment.
I'm glad that I saw the final preview (yesterday @ 3) before the dismal reviews came out and put a damper on my high spirits.
I never saw the stage version before and found your perspective on the Danny character most interesting....that Max is the Danny for today. I would not have considered going to NY if a traditional Danny had won. I can't imagine anything more boring.
I should trust my perceptions more. If I'm loving what I'm seeing and hearing, and thrilled beyond description, as I was at yesterday's performance, then that's what the truth is, not what Brantley and Barnes think.


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Great post. Thee show last night was not what these negative reviews are making it out to be, It was good and it was fun, I also thought the reviewers were missing the point. They have their paradigm of what Grease should be and can't see past it. I can't say it better than you did but if you go expecting to see a basically family friendly; energetic fun  song and dance show about the lives and times of high school kids you will not be disappointed.

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Haha, glad it did some good Ray. I'm a bit annoyed at how condescending some of the reviewers have been - yes, a lot of people seeing this show are new to Broadway, and don't have anything to compare it with. But there are at least a few regular theatergoers who also thoroughly enjoyed the show, and I for one am going to stick to my opinions regardless of what the critics think. (It turns out I often do agree with them, but there are times I think they get caught up in their own little worlds.) 

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I don't know if you took Dogs and Birds advice and posted your opinion at other sources but it would be good and I think go a long away in rebutting some ridiculous notions.   That is, if you care to deal with  the rhetoric or worse, that will follow.

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Reviews? I think that we all sort of knew that they wouldn't be all that good. Many reasons, but the primary one is the non traditional way the two of the principals were cast.

Broadway is an institution and like all institutions, change is not something that is easily accepted. Also, they complain about the revival being unnecessary. They just revived Les Mis, which ran for 17 years and was only off for 3 years and they are bring back Carbaret, which also has been revived recently.

If those who enjoyed themselves wrote in the Times or Broadway Box or any place else that takes comments (not Broadway World unless you have been a poster!) then we can overcome some of the reviews. I feel like people who come to the city to see a show want to see a show like Grease. They want to have some fun!

Ray? What did you think of the show?

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Ah NYC, you're no better than the so-called "800lb gorilla," inflating your opinion of Grease by putting Hairspray down.

This thread strikes me as one of the most enormously self-serving things I've ever read. Justifying your own feelings because the NY papers gave it bad reviews? Making your thoughts on the show seem like they count more than the NY papers? Granted, that's only the subtext. It's hidden with some creative quotes from Ben Brantley and references to other productions.

Everyone has a different opinion. I understand that someone gets upset when someone else disagrees with you, especially on such a passionate subject, but in the end, your thoughts are no better than their's. Just because you disagree with someone, it doesn't make them wrong.  Your comments aren't wrong, their comments aren't wrong. The only difference is that their comments reach a broader scope.

-- Edited by MrE1111 at 14:36, 2007-08-21

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NYC, your post made my morning. I nodded all the way through its reading because you helped me identify some of what I was feeling. Thank you. I hope you do feel inclined to share your thoughts elsewhere.

-- Edited by Kait at 14:10, 2007-08-21

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MrE1111 wrote:

Ah NYC, you're no better than the so-called "800lb gorilla," inflating your opinion of Grease by putting Hairspray down.

This thread strikes me as one of the most enormously self-serving things I've ever read. Justifying your own feelings because the NY papers gave it bad reviews? Making your thoughts on the show seem like they count more than the NY papers? Granted, that's only the subtext. It's hidden with some creative quotes from Ben Brantley and references to other productions.

Everyone has a different opinion. I understand that someone gets upset when someone else disagrees with you, especially on such a passionate subject, but in the end, your thoughts are no better than their's. Just because you disagree with someone, it doesn't make them wrong.  Your comments aren't wrong, their comments aren't wrong. The only difference is that their comments reach a broader scope.

-- Edited by MrE1111 at 14:36, 2007-08-21



Aw Mr. E, I apologize if that's what you read into it. I completely agree that my thoughts are no better than the critics, and like I said, I generally agree with what they say. I enjoy reading Brantley and Isherwood's reviews. In no way did I mean to imply that my thoughts were superior to the critics' comments - these are just my thoughts after reading through the reviews, and why I enjoy the show. (Although I will say, a certain critic from the NYPost is where most of my ire is directed at, and I often do feel my opinion is better than his, and I tend to ignore his stuff - so guilty as charged on that account!) In quoting Brantley, it was because I generally find his views to be fair and very well-informed, even when I disagree with him. He didn't have to give Laura the comment that she had poise, or that Max was  a refreshing if unlikely choice, before commenting negatively on their performances, but he did. And like I said, this show just won't be everyone's cup of tea, but it will be for a good number of folks.

As a ticket holder though, I am allowed to express my thoughts though on other shows I've seen, aren't I? And for the record, I thoroughly enjoyed Hairspray when I saw it last year. The production values are superior to Grease, and the regular cast is excellent. I'm not happy with this most recent stunt casting of Lance Bass though, because watching it the 2nd time around, every time the show picked up steam, the generally upbeat Corny Collins numbers fell flat - which is not fair to all of the talented and hardworking ensemble members dancing and singing their hearts out behind Mr. Bass. But in the end, it is a business, isn't it?

-- Edited by NYC9758 at 17:48, 2007-08-21

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Honestly, the reviews that I've seen are what I expected.  I haven't seen the show so I can't comment on my perception of their accuracy.  What I was hoping for was that Laura and Max wouldn't get trashed, and for the most part it seems like they weren't, but I was also hoping that some of the criticisms I'd read earlier about Kathleen's direction and choreography might have been off-the-mark, and unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case.  Whatever, I hope people continue to pack the house and enjoy the show for what it is, and that the cast has a good time with it.  I don't have specific plans to see the show, but still plan to get up there if time allows.  The reviews have nothing to do with that.

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I think what Mr. E. was trying to say is although most of us support Grease and hope it runs a long time, we can't be too dismissive of the reviews. After all, if all the reviews were rave ones, would we want to dismiss that too?

Opinions are like noses, everyone has one. Yes, the critics get paid to review and our expectations are that they know more then we do, but it is still just their opinion and I can agree or disagree as I so chose.

Years ago, there was a men's clothing store on the lower east side called Sideman's. Their motto was, "Money talks, nobody walks."

People "talk" by buying tickets, purchasing the swag being sold, getting the cd, recommending it to others and going back to see if it they enjoyed it that much.

I will be there on the 25th with family for the matinée. Looking forward to seeing in again!

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Ray? What did you think of the show?



I came out of the theater saying to myself... "I don't ever have to see another Broadway show....nothing could ever compare with the thrilling experience of this particular Grease".

I'll skip over the many great moments and jump in at Laura's stunning entrance as Sexy Sandy. Max's irrepressible schoolboy reaction sent the finale into orbit. The song was sensational, including stripping off their jackets to suggest more; then everybody launching into a joyous "We go together", followed by the exciting curtain calls, right into a medley of the show's up-tempo hits, and finally, with the cast gone, the band has it's moment in the sun and rocks out with the entire audience standing in place and cheering when they finish.

I dare say, a good time was had by all.

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NYC - no hard feelings, glad you were able to clarify and I do somewhat understand where you're coming from. (I do enjoy Hairspray - seen it a handful of times, but not with this current cast).

Regarding Clive Barnes, yeah, he's old, he's British, he still doesn't know how to properly review theater. He started out as the ballet critic for the NY Times, eventually becoming the theater critic everyone in NY detested. Now he's working for the Post...steep decline.

DogsandBirds hit what I was trying to get out more-or-less on the head.

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I had such fun and loved everything about the opening night show! The flow of the show really came together through the rest of the preview season and it just is absolutely fun!  Of course, I am biased, but give me that!  The fact that this show was the Broadway debut for 14 young actors is really amazing. Everyone plays their particular part so well and my personal opinion (which is opposing to at least one critic's opinion) is that they really do own their parts. I walked away feeling like I personally knew each one of them and pictured someone just like them that I knew in high school! And it makes me laugh to remember them.  The critical reviews do not surprise me either.  As everyone has said--what can you write from a critical standpoint about Grease?  But interestingly enough, as I read the reviews, I also looked specifically for anything they had to say that was positive and I found quite a lot! For Laura, for example, I saw way more good than negative and it thrilled me. She's young. She's 21 years old. She's off to an amazing start! And the NY Times reviewer almost understated the truth when he said she had a valedictorian's poise. As I watched her at the opening night party I couldn't believe how stunningly well she handled all the pressure, all the interviews, all the comments, all the people...  My goodness! As a parent, I am overwhelmingly proud...as I am sure are all the other parents of these phenomonal young people working their hearts out!  Everyone go "get Greased!"  It's a blast!

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Thanks for your comments, Jane. I've been looking forward to reading your reactions to opening night and to the reviews.

With full respect to you and Rachel, I, like others "of a certain age" here, have developed parental feelings toward Laura and Max. Their delightful personal qualities make us feel quite proud of their accomplishments, protective toward them, and cause us to fervently root for their happiness and success.

As I think about the phenomenal growth that each of them has shown since their auditions for the TV show, I am also awed by the amount of pressure that they must have experienced as they have had to stretch to meet ever rising demands. In addition to their breathtaking capacities to grow so much, so rapidly, both Laura and Max have shown exemplary grace under pressure. This is what I see in your description of Laura at the opening night party. You, Rachel and your parenting partners are so entitled to feel enormously proud of your wonderful kids. And thank you for allowing us to vicariously share your enjoyment of them.

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What's funny to me is that I also feel like I know some of you all on this board and have definitely felt your vicarious support.  I believe in that Indian proverb that says it takes a whole tribe to raise a child. I think children can never have too many people who love them and support them.  Thanks to all of you for your prayers and well wishes. I think somehow all our collective thoughts sweetly reach God's ears and He reaches down and answers our prayers. He has certainly granted extra strength to Laura when needed to handle the rigorous schedule and all the people pressures.  And He daily empowers her voice to sing those beautiful tones even the hardest critics had to recognize. You cannot take health and strength for granted in such a demanding position. God is the giver of all grace to handle it. I, for one, thank Him for it and am thankful for all the Laura supporters.

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jane,

What was opening night like from your perspective? Did you attend the party?

edit: I saw in another thread that you did. Anyway, how was your time in NY?

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Jane,
You know that Laura has my full support through Grease and beyond as does Max. They are two wonderful kids that I love dearly and I've never really formally met them.Isn't it amazing?



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Jane,
The fact that you saw the good in those reviews speaks well of the kind of person you are. No wonder Laura has such a bright outlook. As so many others here have mentioned, I feel almost parental toward Max and Laura, although my own kids aren't quite as old as they are. What an experience this must be for you, Rachel and the dads, to see your (still quite young) children handling a Broadway show, critics, fans, a cross-country move ... and for Laura, even marriage. (Although I have to say Nate must be a huge help to her now.)

I applaud all of you.

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